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		<title>Comment on Quantum Touch by M. Homan</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Homan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would like to add... Quantum touch is based on energy healing. This is nothing new. For those who want to disprove it, I ask the question... if it is all crap, then why do so many people use it? You would think if it did not work on some level people would look some where else.

For those who have not found it useful, or do not think it works, they have a choice, the medical sciences. But what if that does not work? People need to do their homework. But unless they have a life threatening problem, they may never see an opportunity to do so. 

Acupuncture, tai chi, and chi gong are a few things that are also related. The whole Chinese system, or TCM is based on this energy system. They have been doing this for thousands of years. If this is bogus, then they must be pretty stupid to do it for so long if it did not work, wouldn&#039;t you agree?

And for those of a scientific mind... what about Quantum Physics? What does this say about the nature of things? 

I think there is much to learn yet in this field, but as time goes on there will be much more learned and documented to the point where there will be little room for the skeptic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would like to add&#8230; Quantum touch is based on energy healing. This is nothing new. For those who want to disprove it, I ask the question&#8230; if it is all crap, then why do so many people use it? You would think if it did not work on some level people would look some where else.</p>
<p>For those who have not found it useful, or do not think it works, they have a choice, the medical sciences. But what if that does not work? People need to do their homework. But unless they have a life threatening problem, they may never see an opportunity to do so. </p>
<p>Acupuncture, tai chi, and chi gong are a few things that are also related. The whole Chinese system, or TCM is based on this energy system. They have been doing this for thousands of years. If this is bogus, then they must be pretty stupid to do it for so long if it did not work, wouldn&#8217;t you agree?</p>
<p>And for those of a scientific mind&#8230; what about Quantum Physics? What does this say about the nature of things? </p>
<p>I think there is much to learn yet in this field, but as time goes on there will be much more learned and documented to the point where there will be little room for the skeptic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Touch by excalibur</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will always be skeptics - some of them desperate to be proven wrong, others having no other way of getting attention other than being an irritant.

Please consider the time you are wasting on incredibly toxic people and inane arguments and then see if there is someone nearby whom you can actually help. Someone ready, and maybe even wanting the knowledge, skill and optimism you have. 

In emotional work there is a recognized pattern within a group behavior - the angriest people will make the most noise and will draw the most attention, often seemingly defining the group position. Not the neediest, most ready to receive or most ready to benefit from the skill and knowledge they attack.

I&#039;ve formulated a rule of thumb as result of my sixteen years of practice as a  bodyworker  - it takes about 20 times emotional energy to help someone who resists than someone who actually wants to be well. Think about it - you can help 20 people or (maybe) one. 

While I don&#039;t expect anyone like some of the more inane posters here to even make it to my office, I do get those that won&#039;t admit that they get better - even when  the improvement is obvious - through seeing increased range of motion, for example. I rarely get those kinds of patients anymore but am cautious not to engage emotionally when they ignore a simple question like - &#039;Can you feel a change?&#039; and instead immediately focus on another area or problem I haven&#039;t even treated yet and respond with - &#039;No, I can still feel the pain.&#039;

As a bodyworker I choose not to use invasive techniques that overpower my clients, because the more I overpower the more responsibility I would need to take on, the greater the chance that my intervention can cause harm and the less personal power for self-care remains with my clients. All this means that there is little that I do that a client can&#039;t reverse simply by refusing to get well. But, that works for me and that works for those of my clients that want to get well - and those are the people I want to support ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will always be skeptics &#8211; some of them desperate to be proven wrong, others having no other way of getting attention other than being an irritant.</p>
<p>Please consider the time you are wasting on incredibly toxic people and inane arguments and then see if there is someone nearby whom you can actually help. Someone ready, and maybe even wanting the knowledge, skill and optimism you have. </p>
<p>In emotional work there is a recognized pattern within a group behavior &#8211; the angriest people will make the most noise and will draw the most attention, often seemingly defining the group position. Not the neediest, most ready to receive or most ready to benefit from the skill and knowledge they attack.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve formulated a rule of thumb as result of my sixteen years of practice as a  bodyworker  &#8211; it takes about 20 times emotional energy to help someone who resists than someone who actually wants to be well. Think about it &#8211; you can help 20 people or (maybe) one. </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t expect anyone like some of the more inane posters here to even make it to my office, I do get those that won&#8217;t admit that they get better &#8211; even when  the improvement is obvious &#8211; through seeing increased range of motion, for example. I rarely get those kinds of patients anymore but am cautious not to engage emotionally when they ignore a simple question like &#8211; &#8216;Can you feel a change?&#8217; and instead immediately focus on another area or problem I haven&#8217;t even treated yet and respond with &#8211; &#8216;No, I can still feel the pain.&#8217;</p>
<p>As a bodyworker I choose not to use invasive techniques that overpower my clients, because the more I overpower the more responsibility I would need to take on, the greater the chance that my intervention can cause harm and the less personal power for self-care remains with my clients. All this means that there is little that I do that a client can&#8217;t reverse simply by refusing to get well. But, that works for me and that works for those of my clients that want to get well &#8211; and those are the people I want to support <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Touch by M. Homan</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Homan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who say that one should go to medical science for proven help, bull shit! I been there done that. The reason most people look to these so-called shams and alternative healing is because medical science can not heal a damn thing. If they can, then why do you suppose we get eye glasses and they always continue to get worst, that we need stronger lens? Why do people with heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. get on prescription drugs and they never go off the drugs? Because they do not get healed. I might add all of the money collected each and every year for research for things like breast cancer, where is the cures? But there are thousands of drugs to keep people going to profit from. I have two conditions myself, degenerative disc disease and Leber&#039;s LHON and they tell me there are no cures. So I did put my trust in mdical science and it has failed me twice on two serious life changing conditions. So no one can tell me that medical science is a great place to get healed, or look for answers. I have suffered in pain for over 15 years now, and am still fighting for some relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who say that one should go to medical science for proven help, bull shit! I been there done that. The reason most people look to these so-called shams and alternative healing is because medical science can not heal a damn thing. If they can, then why do you suppose we get eye glasses and they always continue to get worst, that we need stronger lens? Why do people with heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. get on prescription drugs and they never go off the drugs? Because they do not get healed. I might add all of the money collected each and every year for research for things like breast cancer, where is the cures? But there are thousands of drugs to keep people going to profit from. I have two conditions myself, degenerative disc disease and Leber&#8217;s LHON and they tell me there are no cures. So I did put my trust in mdical science and it has failed me twice on two serious life changing conditions. So no one can tell me that medical science is a great place to get healed, or look for answers. I have suffered in pain for over 15 years now, and am still fighting for some relief.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Light Eating by Bob54</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Touch by john</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I&#039;d like to state that I am in no way a big supporter of full tilt western medicine and loathe a vast number of things about the pharmaceutical industry (thankfully I take excellent care of myself and haven&#039;t been subjected to many medical procedures of any kind!).  I didn&#039;t have any interest or need to try QT until I met a friend who practiced it and wanted to attempt to help me out with an extremely tight/sore back (from carting around a huge backpack all weekend).  I&#039;m a skeptic by nature and don&#039;t believe too much (especially when it comes to medicine, or anyone trying to sell me anything!) but remain open to anything and give it all a fair chance if I can.  With that in mind:

&quot;You are all asking how it works? Well, its based upon the practitioner raising their own energy vibrations, and allowing the receiver’s energy level to rise to meet that same level. It is not healing the other person, it’s providing a pathway for the other person’s body to heal itself. It’s based upon the principle that the body wants to be healed.&quot;

I am asking because I am genuinely curious here, and I&#039;d very much like to think there are answers to all of these questions.  What is the nature of the energy, specifically (thermal, electromagnetic, something else altogether)?  What is the frequency (approximately) of this energy?  What is the mechanism of raising the frequency of it, and how exactly is that transferred to the recipient?  Does the practitioner have a special ability to sense these energy levels?  If not, how do they become aware of the changes in frequency of said energy levels (in both themselves and the patients) in order to ensure the proper conditions for the treatment to work?  And if they do have the ability to sense these levels, wouldn&#039;t they be able to demonstrate this under controlled conditions?  If so, has this been shown?

Also, say there is a tumor, or a torn ligament, whatever the case, how does the increased vibration of this energy actually promote healing or allow for healing to take place, as the actual internal healing process would be entirely different in each case?  

I&#039;m hoping for specific answers to many of these, and if there aren&#039;t any I think its a reasonable position to be skeptical, no?  Of course I don&#039;t need every answer to be satisfied, but that many questions may either give added insight or conversely expose a lack of answers/understanding.  I would want to know the same types of things about a drug or a surgical procedure as well, so I hope this isn&#039;t taken as a bias in one direction or another.  And I know there are &#039;proven&#039; drugs that have unknown mechanisms of action as well, but that won&#039;t stop me from asking anyway!

“We teach the concept of “body intelligence”: the body knows how to bring itself back to 100% wholeness given the proper conditions... Quantum-Touch does not claim to treat or heal specific conditions; the effectiveness of Quantum-Touch is based on an individual’s ability to heal and the results will vary. Ultimately if the body can, it will heal itself and Quantum-Touch may accelerate that process.”

I understand that it does not claim to directly treat the condition.  I am a full believer in setting the right conditions for a body to heal itself, but I am still unclear as to how exactly QT contributes to this.  How are these &#039;proper conditions&#039; created by QT, and how is it known what the proper conditions are for a given patient?  Is diet, physical activity/exercise, mental/emotional state taken into consideration in QT treatment, as those are very obviously all huge factors in the body&#039;s ability to heal itself?

Also for the sake of my next point only, lets say that QT is only effective through the placebo effect.  I don&#039;t personally think there is anything wrong with that in itself...healing is welcome no matter how it&#039;s achieved, even if only through the belief of a patient, and any technique that can even somewhat reliably activate the placebo effect is valuable.  In turn, I suppose since the belief of the patient is crucial to that process, then the explanations of energy and frequencies would be part of creating that belief, and in turn would have some actual value even if it turned out they (energy levels, etc) didn&#039;t have anything to do with what&#039;s going on.

Also, back to the last quote: &quot;Ultimately if the body can, it will heal itself and Quantum-Touch may accelerate that process.”

I actually think this is a very careful statement of its effectiveness...given the healing ability of the patient, it MAY accelerate the natural healing process.  That isn&#039;t that outlandish of a claim, although I&#039;m sure more drastic claims have been made (?).  Let&#039;s say that statement is completely true.  Have there been any studies showing the net result of patients foregoing more commonly accepted western practices for QT?  Even if the above statement is 100% true, foregoing other potentially helpful treatments (which despite the &#039;evils&#039; of western medicine and drugs, have definitely saved their own share of people) for something that makes no guarantees and has no hard data showing how frequently it works (correct?), isn&#039;t that a big risk to take?  I wonder how many people took that risk and didn&#039;t see the results.  If I had a serious illness I would definitely want to know something like that before treatment of any kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I&#8217;d like to state that I am in no way a big supporter of full tilt western medicine and loathe a vast number of things about the pharmaceutical industry (thankfully I take excellent care of myself and haven&#8217;t been subjected to many medical procedures of any kind!).  I didn&#8217;t have any interest or need to try QT until I met a friend who practiced it and wanted to attempt to help me out with an extremely tight/sore back (from carting around a huge backpack all weekend).  I&#8217;m a skeptic by nature and don&#8217;t believe too much (especially when it comes to medicine, or anyone trying to sell me anything!) but remain open to anything and give it all a fair chance if I can.  With that in mind:</p>
<p>&#8220;You are all asking how it works? Well, its based upon the practitioner raising their own energy vibrations, and allowing the receiver’s energy level to rise to meet that same level. It is not healing the other person, it’s providing a pathway for the other person’s body to heal itself. It’s based upon the principle that the body wants to be healed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am asking because I am genuinely curious here, and I&#8217;d very much like to think there are answers to all of these questions.  What is the nature of the energy, specifically (thermal, electromagnetic, something else altogether)?  What is the frequency (approximately) of this energy?  What is the mechanism of raising the frequency of it, and how exactly is that transferred to the recipient?  Does the practitioner have a special ability to sense these energy levels?  If not, how do they become aware of the changes in frequency of said energy levels (in both themselves and the patients) in order to ensure the proper conditions for the treatment to work?  And if they do have the ability to sense these levels, wouldn&#8217;t they be able to demonstrate this under controlled conditions?  If so, has this been shown?</p>
<p>Also, say there is a tumor, or a torn ligament, whatever the case, how does the increased vibration of this energy actually promote healing or allow for healing to take place, as the actual internal healing process would be entirely different in each case?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping for specific answers to many of these, and if there aren&#8217;t any I think its a reasonable position to be skeptical, no?  Of course I don&#8217;t need every answer to be satisfied, but that many questions may either give added insight or conversely expose a lack of answers/understanding.  I would want to know the same types of things about a drug or a surgical procedure as well, so I hope this isn&#8217;t taken as a bias in one direction or another.  And I know there are &#8216;proven&#8217; drugs that have unknown mechanisms of action as well, but that won&#8217;t stop me from asking anyway!</p>
<p>“We teach the concept of “body intelligence”: the body knows how to bring itself back to 100% wholeness given the proper conditions&#8230; Quantum-Touch does not claim to treat or heal specific conditions; the effectiveness of Quantum-Touch is based on an individual’s ability to heal and the results will vary. Ultimately if the body can, it will heal itself and Quantum-Touch may accelerate that process.”</p>
<p>I understand that it does not claim to directly treat the condition.  I am a full believer in setting the right conditions for a body to heal itself, but I am still unclear as to how exactly QT contributes to this.  How are these &#8216;proper conditions&#8217; created by QT, and how is it known what the proper conditions are for a given patient?  Is diet, physical activity/exercise, mental/emotional state taken into consideration in QT treatment, as those are very obviously all huge factors in the body&#8217;s ability to heal itself?</p>
<p>Also for the sake of my next point only, lets say that QT is only effective through the placebo effect.  I don&#8217;t personally think there is anything wrong with that in itself&#8230;healing is welcome no matter how it&#8217;s achieved, even if only through the belief of a patient, and any technique that can even somewhat reliably activate the placebo effect is valuable.  In turn, I suppose since the belief of the patient is crucial to that process, then the explanations of energy and frequencies would be part of creating that belief, and in turn would have some actual value even if it turned out they (energy levels, etc) didn&#8217;t have anything to do with what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>Also, back to the last quote: &#8220;Ultimately if the body can, it will heal itself and Quantum-Touch may accelerate that process.”</p>
<p>I actually think this is a very careful statement of its effectiveness&#8230;given the healing ability of the patient, it MAY accelerate the natural healing process.  That isn&#8217;t that outlandish of a claim, although I&#8217;m sure more drastic claims have been made (?).  Let&#8217;s say that statement is completely true.  Have there been any studies showing the net result of patients foregoing more commonly accepted western practices for QT?  Even if the above statement is 100% true, foregoing other potentially helpful treatments (which despite the &#8216;evils&#8217; of western medicine and drugs, have definitely saved their own share of people) for something that makes no guarantees and has no hard data showing how frequently it works (correct?), isn&#8217;t that a big risk to take?  I wonder how many people took that risk and didn&#8217;t see the results.  If I had a serious illness I would definitely want to know something like that before treatment of any kind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We are all Heath Ledger. by Mclester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mclester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you *very* much for sharing your insight. I&#039;ll bookmark this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you *very* much for sharing your insight. I&#8217;ll bookmark this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We are all Heath Ledger. by Pippens</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the information an excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information an excellent post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Touch by pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What sort of stuff does the AMA do to &quot;supress this groundbreaking research studies that threaten the etirety of Western Medicine.&quot;  It seems you have some proof of this and I would be interested in seeing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sort of stuff does the AMA do to &#8220;supress this groundbreaking research studies that threaten the etirety of Western Medicine.&#8221;  It seems you have some proof of this and I would be interested in seeing it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Magnet Therapy: Does it Work? by alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen your Blog. It’s great..
keep it up</description>
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keep it up</p>
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		<title>Comment on Breaking news on homeopathy! by Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing that in this day and age, consumer protection groups can have dangerous childrens toys or furniture recalled or close up a tattoo parlor or an X rated bar, or stop a gypsy cab driver or halt dangerous construction and many other incidents of consumer protection but yet allow so-called alt-med practitioners to operate in our towns and cities, many with fake or mail-order credentials and practicing medicine without a license, A kid cannot buy booze or cigarettes but can go to a healthstore and buy kava, St. johnswort and many other mind-altering drugs, thats right, these are drugs, so is gingko ginseng and other similar junk because they have mind altering or medicinal properties, without full disclosure of the side effects. Go to medline or read the herbal PDR for the side effects of these quacky herbs.
So called homeopaths, iridologists, many chiropractors, energy healers, intuitives, etc.. are all fakes scammers and cultists and have a license to steal. just by being allowed to operate, Many throw in a healthy dose of bible-thumping, which accompanies many of the false claims and appeals to the &quot;Rubes&quot; who are not smart enough to know that this stuff is mostly bogus.
Are you aware that the office of CAM at the NIH spent 2and one half billion in the last 10 years to test all this stuff, Guess what? Its all fake and worthless, echinacea, magnets therapeutic touch and most of the wonder supplements, The only thing that showed some efficacy was accupuncture and much of that is dubious.
Your tax money has been wasted. You still have people giving enemas, de-tox, lymph brushing, ear candling,muscle testing, Thats a real laugh, muscle testing and many people through clever marketing and medical bashing buy into this nonsense. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too.The bogus cancer cures are heinous as child molesting and these people hawking them belong in prison. Get real, will you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing that in this day and age, consumer protection groups can have dangerous childrens toys or furniture recalled or close up a tattoo parlor or an X rated bar, or stop a gypsy cab driver or halt dangerous construction and many other incidents of consumer protection but yet allow so-called alt-med practitioners to operate in our towns and cities, many with fake or mail-order credentials and practicing medicine without a license, A kid cannot buy booze or cigarettes but can go to a healthstore and buy kava, St. johnswort and many other mind-altering drugs, thats right, these are drugs, so is gingko ginseng and other similar junk because they have mind altering or medicinal properties, without full disclosure of the side effects. Go to medline or read the herbal PDR for the side effects of these quacky herbs.<br />
So called homeopaths, iridologists, many chiropractors, energy healers, intuitives, etc.. are all fakes scammers and cultists and have a license to steal. just by being allowed to operate, Many throw in a healthy dose of bible-thumping, which accompanies many of the false claims and appeals to the &#8220;Rubes&#8221; who are not smart enough to know that this stuff is mostly bogus.<br />
Are you aware that the office of CAM at the NIH spent 2and one half billion in the last 10 years to test all this stuff, Guess what? Its all fake and worthless, echinacea, magnets therapeutic touch and most of the wonder supplements, The only thing that showed some efficacy was accupuncture and much of that is dubious.<br />
Your tax money has been wasted. You still have people giving enemas, de-tox, lymph brushing, ear candling,muscle testing, Thats a real laugh, muscle testing and many people through clever marketing and medical bashing buy into this nonsense. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too.The bogus cancer cures are heinous as child molesting and these people hawking them belong in prison. Get real, will you?</p>
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